Thanks for agreeing with me about keeping some info private. :3
Just want to take a sec. to clarify about 'needy and intrusive'. I'm not needy and intrusive, I'm just 'me'. (And, I did notice you said 'could be' and not 'is' and only in response to someone else's post so I'm not offended. :3 I just thought I'd make that clear 'cuz occasionally some people get the wrong idea when I write a reply--words, they are an imperfect medium and easy to misunderstand sometimes.)
In the interests of brevity, I'll forgo my longer explanation and settle for medium length. Basically, I can see how some people could choose to categorize my attention to detail as being 'needy' and 'invasive' but these terms do not accurately describe the situation. 'Needy' has the connotation that I'm desperate and 'intrusive' that I'm pushy or something. At the very least, it makes me sound like I haven't got the common sense to approach people politely and properly which isn't true. I have a 'passion' for furry art, but I've never lost track of my manners and I'm not a total recluse without any social graces. If people think I'm doing something wrong, all people have to do is point it out.
I was just trying communicate to the artist what I wanted and talk them quickly though the important points in the reference material I had and wanted to give them--which was especially important because there was so much of it, not all of it was relevant to the commissions at hand, and I didn't want them to get lost. Explanations take some time to do but I didn't think I was too long, just longer than average. Anyway, as I said in another comment, I know my reference material needs work; it's a work in progress.
If an artist thinks I'm doing something wrong or they can suggest how I can better interact with them, they are always welcome to tell me.
I know artists at conventions to make money and I've never tried to monopolize their time. In fact, if it's taking me awhile to finish explaining what I want and I notice that other customers what to look at or buy something, I'll stop talking or move to the side a bit and let them talk to the artist because I know I'll be there awhile longer and they shouldn't have to wait that long because of me. So you see I do try to accommodate people and that's one example.
One could make the reverse argument to that some artists are too pushy sometimes because they just want to get your money quickly, shoo you off as fast as possible, and get more from the next person. It can make you feel like you're being intimidated or are on some sort of assembly line which is uncomfortable. You're paying for a service and for something specific. You don't want to feel like your on an assembly line, rush rush rush, and no quality control over what you get. I don't doubt the art will be excellently drawn but I do like to have some say in the details of it. Definitely, there has to be a balance there and I agree that it can be a fine line. I think it's the responsibility of both the customer and the artists to work together in this matter so that both are happy. (This does not apply however to Gunmouth and Kami because both were very accommodating by letting me take the time I needed to get though my descriptions of the commissions so I didn't think anything was amiss. They certainly weren't pushy. I didn't learn that Gunmouth felt upset about it until he posted here on LJ. Now that I know they'd like me to be briefer and quicker, I'll make sure to be with them if they are ever willing to do further commissions for me.)
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Date: 2010-08-04 01:40 am (UTC)Just want to take a sec. to clarify about 'needy and intrusive'. I'm not needy and intrusive, I'm just 'me'. (And, I did notice you said 'could be' and not 'is' and only in response to someone else's post so I'm not offended. :3 I just thought I'd make that clear 'cuz occasionally some people get the wrong idea when I write a reply--words, they are an imperfect medium and easy to misunderstand sometimes.)
In the interests of brevity, I'll forgo my longer explanation and settle for medium length. Basically, I can see how some people could choose to categorize my attention to detail as being 'needy' and 'invasive' but these terms do not accurately describe the situation. 'Needy' has the connotation that I'm desperate and 'intrusive' that I'm pushy or something. At the very least, it makes me sound like I haven't got the common sense to approach people politely and properly which isn't true. I have a 'passion' for furry art, but I've never lost track of my manners and I'm not a total recluse without any social graces. If people think I'm doing something wrong, all people have to do is point it out.
I was just trying communicate to the artist what I wanted and talk them quickly though the important points in the reference material I had and wanted to give them--which was especially important because there was so much of it, not all of it was relevant to the commissions at hand, and I didn't want them to get lost. Explanations take some time to do but I didn't think I was too long, just longer than average. Anyway, as I said in another comment, I know my reference material needs work; it's a work in progress.
If an artist thinks I'm doing something wrong or they can suggest how I can better interact with them, they are always welcome to tell me.
I know artists at conventions to make money and I've never tried to monopolize their time. In fact, if it's taking me awhile to finish explaining what I want and I notice that other customers what to look at or buy something, I'll stop talking or move to the side a bit and let them talk to the artist because I know I'll be there awhile longer and they shouldn't have to wait that long because of me. So you see I do try to accommodate people and that's one example.
One could make the reverse argument to that some artists are too pushy sometimes because they just want to get your money quickly, shoo you off as fast as possible, and get more from the next person. It can make you feel like you're being intimidated or are on some sort of assembly line which is uncomfortable. You're paying for a service and for something specific. You don't want to feel like your on an assembly line, rush rush rush, and no quality control over what you get. I don't doubt the art will be excellently drawn but I do like to have some say in the details of it. Definitely, there has to be a balance there and I agree that it can be a fine line. I think it's the responsibility of both the customer and the artists to work together in this matter so that both are happy. (This does not apply however to Gunmouth and Kami because both were very accommodating by letting me take the time I needed to get though my descriptions of the commissions so I didn't think anything was amiss. They certainly weren't pushy. I didn't learn that Gunmouth felt upset about it until he posted here on LJ. Now that I know they'd like me to be briefer and quicker, I'll make sure to be with them if they are ever willing to do further commissions for me.)